Sunday, December 14, 2008

Soy Protein – Good or Bad?

Soy is fairly inexpensive protein source and has a complete amino acid profile. It is in fact regarded as the best vegetarian protein source. Then why many bodybuilders fear it?

In fact even I used to fear soy protein but not any more!! As I don’t hold any degree for nutrition I will simply lay down the results of some research and some quick facts. After reading this, I am sure that I will leave you with a clear mind to make a wise decision. In all the places I will be using whey as reference as most of us consider whey as the best protein. hy Soy? The PDCAAS score

In all the protein related stories on the net or papers, egg white protein is taken as reference(egg white protein is regarded as complete and is given a neutral score of 1 in all reference). One of the most accurate protein quality measuring factor is Protein Digestibility Corrected Amino Acid Score(PDCAAS). Having PDCAAS as a reference, in comparison to egg both soy and whey share the same score. Many people consider beef as perfect protein, but even beef scores only 0.92 in PDCAAS in comparison to “1” of Soy, which leaves us with a positive attitude towards reading further. 

Essential Amino Acids

Essential amino acids(EAA) are group of amino acids which can’t be prepared by our body and needs to be supplemented through diet. This is the reason why experts suggest us to take a gram or even more of protein per pound of bodyweight. Many of the bodybuilders consider “whey gold standard” as the best protein source in the world. But “whey” necessarily need not be the “best”. To get a clear picture of the amino acid profile look at the table below.

 EAA - Soy vs. Whey Protein

Soy Vs. Whey Protein

mg EAA per g of Protein

Amino Acid

Soy Protein

Whey Protein

Isoleucine (BCAA)

49mg

54mg

Leucine (BCAA)

82mg

89mg

Valine (BCAA)

48mg

82mg

Histidine

19mg

16mg

Lysine

64mg

88mg

Methionine

26mg

32mg

Phenylalanine

38mg

32mg

Threonine

38mg

65mg

Tryptophan

14mg

22mg

Totals

378mg

480mg

 

The Arginine Factor 

Arginine is a non-essential amino acid which helps in fighting both physical and mental fatigue. Arginine is used in the preparation of nitric oxide which relaxes the blood vessels and helps the body get rid of the toxic substances like ammonia and also used in the preparation of glutamine and creatine by our body. Studies have shown that arginine is used in the formation of protein and it also stimulates the release of growth hormone and prolactin(Prolactin (PRL) or Luteotropic hormone (LTH) is a peptide hormone primarily associated with lactation). And the list goes on and on…

This is the reason why the nitric oxide(NO) supplements evolved in the industry and claimed skin bursting pumping experience in the gym. So here instead of saying much about soy I present to you a table which establishes the amount of arginine per 100g of whey and soy.

Arginine - Soy vs. Whey Protein

Soy Vs. Whey Protein

Arginine per 100g of Protein

Soy Protein

7.6g

Whey Protein

2.9g

 

The Glutamine ratio 

Glutamine is a non-essential amino acid which acts as a cell volumizer by hydrating the muscle cells. In addition to this glutamine is also known to increase the nitric oxide balance in the body, increases the growth hormone production and also known to exhibit anti-catabolic effects.

So a bodybuilder looking to get solid gains consume 3-5g of glutamine 2-3 times a day. So here I present to you a table that shows the amount of glutamine per 100g of soy and whey. 

Glutamine - Soy vs. Whey Protein

Soy Vs. Whey Protein

Glutamine per 100g of Protein

Soy Protein Concentrate

10.5g

Whey Protein Concentrate

4.9g

 

The Estrogen connection

In addition to arginine and glutamine, soy also contains Isoflavones. Isoflavones help to reduce soreness and inflammation and thus improve recovery. They also show powerful antioxidant capabilities. But this is the compound which has given soy the ‘feminizing’ character in the bodybuilding arena. There are many scientific studies which state that isoflavones increase the female hormone count and reduce the level of testosterone and more specifically reduces muscle growth. But there are only a handful of studies which concludes about the estrogen effects but most of the studies conclude that there is no adverse effect on the levels of testosterone or muscle growth due to isoflavones. 

In a 2007 issue of the journal of international society of sports medicine, researchers reported that subjects who were fed either with soy or whey or a combination of both(while also following a resistance training program) showed no differences in free and total testosterone levels – all groups also made similar gains in lean muscle mass. The findings thus concluded that soy was in fact not an inferior source of protein as suggested by earlier studies. 

Soy is made up of three major isoflavones called fenistein, glycitein and daidzein which are also referred to as phytoestrogens (meaning plant estrogens) and are similar to the chemical make up of our body’s own natural hormones estorgen. But research has shown that they are very weak (approximately 1000 times weaker than estrogen). 

“While isoflavones do act to regulate the production and levels of estrogen within the body, for them to actually increase the body’s estrogen levels, and thus compete with the anabolic effects of testosterone, a person would have to consume incredibly large amounts for very long period of time,” says Bodybuilding nutritionist CHAD NICHOLLS (nutritionist of 8 times Mr.Olympia Ronnie Coleman) 

Since numerous people supplementing with soy got similar effects like whey, if they had negative effects on testosterone, gains wouldn’t be the case. Basically the effects of feminizing compounds were tricky with explanation: the pseudo-like estrogen may attempt to battle with testosterone, but they are not strong enough to battle with testosterone and produce a negative effect. So just as whey can build muscle, soy can also build muscle. 

References 

Kalman, D. et al.(2007)Effect of protein source and resistance training on body composition and sex hormones. Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition. 

Cadow, D.G. et al.(2006). Effect of Whey and Soy Protein Supplementation Combined with Resistance Training in Young Adults. International Journal of Sports Nutrition and Exercise Metabolism.

22 comments:

  1. Thanks Murali for such a good post.

    Some informations regarding the amino acids mentioned by Murali.

    Leucine

    As a dietary supplement, leucine has been found to slow the degradation of muscle tissue by increasing the synthesis of muscle proteins. Leucine is utilized in the liver, adipose tissue, and muscle tissue. In adipose and muscle tissue, leucine is used in the formation of sterols, and the combined usage of leucine in these two tissues is seven times greater than its use in the liver. It is found in protein foods, as well as brown rice, beans, nuts and whole wheat.

    Iso Leucine

    Isoleucine, together with the other two branched-chain-amino-acids promote muscle recovery after physical exercise and on its own it is needed for the formation of hemoglobin as well as assisting with regulation of blood sugar levels as well as energy levels. It is also involved in blood-clot formation. It is present in almonds, cashews, chicken, eggs, fish, lentils, liver, meat etc.

    Valine

    It has a stimulating effect and is needed for muscle metabolism, repair and growth of tissue and maintaining the nitrogen balance in the body. Since it is a branched-chain amino acid, it can be used as an energy source in the muscles, and in doing so preserves the use of glucose. Many amino acids become deficient with drug addiction, and here it also plays an important role and there are indications that it may also be beneficial in treating or reversing hepatic encephalopathy, or alcohol related brain damage, as well as degenerative neurological conditions.Good sources for this nutrient include dairy, meat, grain, mushrooms, soy and peanuts.

    Lysine

    It is required for growth and bone development in children, assists in calcium absorption and maintaining the correct nitrogen balance in the body and maintaining lean body mass. Furthermore it is needed to produce antibodies, hormones, enzymes, collagen formation as well as repair of tissue. Since it helps with the building of muscle protein, it is useful for patients recovering from injuries and recovery after operations, and there might be use in lysine to help maintain healthy blood vessels. It also seems to assist in fighting herpes and cold sores. Good sources of lysine are found in cheese, eggs, lima beans, potatoes, milk, meat and brewer's yeast.

    Histidine

    Histidine is also a precursor of histamine, a compound released by immune system cells during an allergic reaction. It is needed for growth and for the repair of tissue, as well as the maintenance of the myelin sheaths that act as protector for nerve cells. It is further required for the manufacture of both red and white blood cells, and helps to protect the body from damage caused by radiation and in removing heavy metals from the body. In the stomach, histidine is also helpful in producing gastric juices, and people with a shortage of gastric juices or suffering from indigestion, may also benefit from this nutrient. Dairy, meat, poultry and fish are good sources of histidine as well as rice, wheat and rye.

    Methionine

    It assists in the breakdown of fats and thereby prevents the build-up of fat in the arteries, as well as assisting with the digestive system and removing heavy metals from the body since it can be converted to cysteine, which is a precursor to gluthione, which is of prime importance in detoxifying the liver. The amino acid methionine is also a great antioxidant as the sulfur it supplies inactivates free radicals. It may also be used to treat depression, arthritis pain as well as chronic liver disease - although these claims are still under investigation. Some studies have also indicated that methionine might improve memory recall. It is also one of the three amino acids needed by the body to manufacture creatine monohydrate, a compound essential for energy production and muscle building. Methionine is found in good quantities in meat, fish, beans, eggs, garlic, lentils, onions, yogurt and seeds.

    Phenylalanine

    It is used in elevating the mood since it is so closely involved with the nervous system, as well as help with memory and learning and has been used as an appetite suppressant. People suffering from Parkinson's disease It is DLPA (or the D- or L-form alone) is used to treat depression and the D form may also be helpful in the treatment of Parkinson's disease and chronic pain in both osteo-arthritis and rheumatoid arthritis with mixed results Increases blood levels of norepinephrine, epinephrine and dopamine - all three required for neurotransmission. It is contained in most protein rich foods but good sources are found in dairy products, almonds, avocados, lima beans, peanuts and seeds.

    Threonine

    It is required to help maintain the proper protein balance in the body, as well as assist in the formation of collagen and elastin in the skin. It is further involved in liver functioning (including fighting fatty liver), lipotropic functions when combined with aspartic acid and methionine as well as assisting the immune system by helping the production of antibodies and promotes thymus growth and activity. Other nutrients are also better absorbed when threonine is present, and it has also been used as part treatment of mental health. Good levels of threonine are found in most meats, dairy and eggs, as well as in lower quantities in wheat germ, nuts, beans and some vegetables.

    Tryptophan

    This amino acid is required for the production of niacin (vitamin B3). It is used by the human body to produce serotonin, a neurotransmitter that is important for normal nerve and brain function. Serotonin is important in sleep, stabilizing emotional moods, pain control, inflammation, intestinal peristalsis, etc. It is further important in controlling hyperactivity in children, assists in alleviating stress, helps with weight loss and reducing appetite. It has also been found that people suffering from migraine headaches have abnormal levels of tryptophan, and in this supplementation may be helpful. A shortage of tryptophan, combined with a shortage of magnesium may be a contributing factor to heart artery spasms. Good dietary sources for this amino acid is cottage cheese, milk, meat, soy protein and peanuts.

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  2. thanks a lot for the info on each amino acids bro
    thanks a lot

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  3. Thats really good Murali bro.......

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  4. Hello Murali,

    A well researched and useful article, replete with all the information you can get on the subject. FANTASTIC!!!

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  5. but 1 thing i would like to say apart from it.....soy i know is the best veg protein provider.....but its not easy on stomach..... it gives a hell lot of trouble in digestion .....be it in any form......any solution to it.....

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  6. Hi Pritam,

    Well cooked soy never creates any problem..

    And remember when consuming as a bean - digestion starts in your mouth..

    cheers

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  7. I luv soya as a bean ,roasted seeds..I eat atleast 1 servings of 50 grms in the afternoon 2 hours after lunch just like an evening snacks at 4 pm..it is rich in protein,carbs and fats...gives me 20 grms protein,15 grms carbs and 11 fats..not bad....a complete Meal and an ideal pre workout snack too...
    Thx Murali for the vital informations and the misconceptions surronding soya...

    Murali Bhai just 1 another thing regarding soya :many have it boiled and sprouted ,i like it roasted even though it is slightly hard,i dint like the boiled version at all,is it ok to have 50 grms as roasted and not steamed????Thx in advance....

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  8. hi kaps,
    its perfectly fine bro....

    cheers

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  9. Hi Biglee,
    You mention in the above article that glutamine is amply present in soya.I consume around 50 to 70 grms of soya daily [roasted not boiled] so is it enough for my daily requirements or would you suggest me buying a glutamine supplement.Also i take 100 whey protein of optimum which already has around 4 grms in each scoop.I take it once a day now a days.So considering the above intake am i getting enough glutamine to prevent muscle breakdown??? Thx in advance...
    Warm Regards sir,
    Kaps

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  10. Hi Kaps,
    Unless you are getting ready for a contest where you are on a very restricted calorie diet, you wont need more glutamin bro

    So your glutamin intake is absolutely fine

    Cheers

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  11. thx a tonne....I am preparing seriously though...let's see...thx again...very very gratefull to u for everything...
    I am lean now 70 kgs at 5.9 ,on a restrictive diet with 1 cheat day a week...waist at navel is at 32...but still d abs arent getting too visible...I have managed to retain muscle even on a restrictive diet so my body fat has reduced in this 6 months..still I am looking for more pronounced definations in abs...they are visible but not like 6 packs or anything as yet???what do u think i should consider now??? Do u think I have to reduce my fat percentage more and continue what I am doing ,that is consuming 300 to 400 kcals below maintenance per day...
    but bcos I also want to increase my size a bit and add muscle growth too
    do I try to up my intake of calorie...do u really think its possible to increase
    muscle size and reduce fat both at d same time??? I know u did mention
    earlier that one needs to understand his body type and then take a call...but
    i am hoping if u suggest how I begin...do u think low carb diets can be
    usefull?? 5 days have only 70 grms of carbs (ketogenic) and then 2 days
    up ur intake of carbs in d weekends...your views please...
    So my questions are:
    1) since abs are not visible yet do I need to continue with calorie restrictive diet so fat levels are reduced?
    2) in your kind opinion can we bring fat levels down and increase muscle growth both at d same time..
    3) do u think cyclical ketogenic diets can work to reach goal no 2 above...
    sry for too many questions posted...
    many many thanks for everthing...
    Kaps

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  12. Hi Kaps,
    Soy does has a lot of carbs and can not be considered a good option in Keto diets bro.
    In keto diets the only type of carbs allowed is fiber carbs and not the other forms....
    Regarding your six pack... You have been in dieting for about 6 months now rite.. so your body wont respond much.. So i would suggest you to go on a regular regime for about a month (but keep your carbs in check and not more than 120-130g a day)

    So this will give a change to your system and by then you would regain all size that you lost during this dieting phase..

    then reasses and start back dieting buddy...

    The best way to progress is to slow down at a point and gain some energy back and push it hard at the fullest

    All the best

    cheers

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  13. Hi Biglee sir,
    If i take 130 grms to 150 grms of carbs a day it will mean i will have to up my consumption of protein to nearly 250 grms otherwise i will be too short of total calorie requirements a day.My maintenance is around 2250 kcals so i will have to up my protein intake to 250 in a day .This way i will be able to retain my present weight and in fact i may increase my muscle growth due to high protein intake and lower my fat reserves due to avoidance of carbs and thereby the insulin effect.So i sum it as :
    Carbs at max 1 grm per pound
    protein at 1.5 grms per pound
    fat at 25 % of total kcals

    Sir i have only 1 problem in this i struggle to reach 170 -200 grms a day of protein in a day.I take a protein drink once every non workout day and twice on workout days.On non workout days i struggle to reach 170 and to reach 250 grms will be quite a task.If i lower my protein intake my size and muscle growth suffers ,if i continue with my present diet of 300 below my maintenance i will reach 65 kgs soon but i will be so lean but it wont be desirable.I want size too with good growth of muscles and i agree with you thats only possible by having sufficient proteins and by lowering the carbs i will go down on fat too.But bro its so difficult to get in so much proteins a day.PLs suggest whether :
    1]taking in shakes twice a day is fine [40 grms each total 80 grms a day]
    2] eating more than 12 egg whites and 2 yolks a day is fine
    This way i can get around 80 grms of protein thru shakes and around 50 grms of protein thru egg .Balance i take chicken,meat,fish and some vegetarian sources..what is ur take sir?hw do u manage so much protein a day?

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  14. Kaps,

    Take three shakes a day(120).
    15 egg whites + 1 or 2 yolk(55-60)
    250g chicken breast or fish (70)

    Irrespective of workouts. Your carbs should only fluctuate on workout days and non workout days not your protein.
    Throw in a hand full of almonds a day to keep your EFA intake in decent level

    All the best buddy

    cheers

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  15. Great this will definately take care of my protein requirements and I can safely keep my carbs down to 135-140 per day without worrying about too much weight loss...this way I can surely burn my fat reserves as I am not going above my maintenance and at d same time I shall be adding muscle due to good protein intake...wonderfull...I am implementing this right away...time to buy good stock of eggs :-)
    and yes I always eat a handfull of almonds and bit walnuts at night time or take 2 tablespoon of peanut butter as bed time meal..this takes care of my good fats...
    thx so much biglee...apart from late mike mentzer I only find you amongst my biggest inspirations and who talks straight without much mumbo-jumbo...and trust me I know of atleast half of such bodybulders who promise astonishing results in just 90 days by subscribing to their e-books...its totally bullshit unless one is genetically blessed...I really salute your devotion and love for bodybuilding sceince and ur selfless service is worthy of such praise words may not justify...thx a tonne Guru...

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  16. Kaps:
    Thanks a ton for the appreciation bro.
    I am honored by your words :)

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  17. Sir i couldnt find an article on multi-vitamins on your blog,maybe it missed my attention.
    I have read that due to creatine and high protein intake many bodybuilders take a dissecated liver tablet along with regular multi-vitamins.I also read that Omega 3 is an important EFA and should be supplemented daily.So sir my questions are :
    1] I take 1 capsule of GNC "mega men" daily.Do you know of any Indian brand which is just as good but cheaper

    2]I heard many bodybuilders in India and even abroad take Liv-52 DS as a liver tablet.Can i take twice daily just to protect my liver.

    3]Omega 3 it seems is very essential as the body doesnt produce it.I just bought 1 strip of omega 3 an indian company by the name "otsira" genetics.Do i take 1 cap daily at bed time or at breakfast??
    Should i think discontinue eating almonds at night?
    Do u feel apart from these 3 do we need any other multi-supplements?
    cheers and thx in advance.

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  18. Hey bro,

    i usually take supradyn and becosuls for my vitamin requirements. (as good an any imported product bro)

    Liv 52 is a good appetite regulator and you can take them after your dinner alone.

    i use cod liver oil capusules. SEACOD active is a good omega supplement prepared in indian market and cheap too.

    Dissected liver is a good source of protein but whey is even better buddy

    Cheers

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  19. Thx so very much...will tk a cod liver cap after breafast along with my multi vitamin.Liv 52 DS alone after dinner.
    Many Regards

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  20. Kaps,
    2g of fish oil is your requirement before bed. so read the label and make necessary adjustments

    All the best buddy

    Cheers

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